------------------------------- Wed Jun 21 06:25:31 PM EDT 2023 ------------------------------- Transcript of Chat box from BLU meeting, Wed, June 21, 2023 Meeting held online via Jitsi Meet In attendance (20 total): Speaker(s): * Bob Frankston * Dan Bricklin BLU officers: * John Abreau * Jerry Feldman * Bill Ricker Attendees (named): * Arnold Peterson * Ben Kallus * Bill Horne * Brandon Vogel * Chris Allen * Edward Piecepicz * Juozas Kazlauskas * Paul Jameson * Randy Cole Attendees (anonymous): * arnie * Ben K * Curt * grg * Nrupesh * Randy --------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Frankston says: https://byteshop.io/ 18:43 --------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecepicz says:+1 Edward Piecepicz says:👍 19:07 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker says:The mountain default background appears to be a L-R reflected copy of Annapurna wallpaper. 19:11 --------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Annapurna is a mountain situated in the Annapurna mountain range of Gandaki Province, north-central Nepal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapurna 19:13 --------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel says:^^ Great info ^^ 19:13 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker says:first machine i used was 32k (12bit words) but banked as 16+10+6(rom), and divided for 3 terminals, normally 10,8,8 partition. I watched how the Grad Asst booted it and booted it 16,5,5 one morning i got in early, as the interpreter had to keep comments in core, and GA was grading on comments so our project had plenty of comments and error handling and wouldn't fit in the 10k partition. Bill Ricker says:SIDE REMARKS HERE 19:17 --------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:My first was a 32k IBM 7044. 100% card entry. 19:18 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:First machines was 64K ( Commodore 64 ) 19:19 --------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecepicz says:TRS-80 Level II BASIC 19:19 --------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel Brandon Vogel says:Mine was TI 99-4/a, so maybe 64k. Then VIC-20 and Timex Sinclair 1000. Still not much! 19:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Feldman says:My first home computer was an 8K Apple II. 19:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:Bob Franston recently posted link to YouTube channel Asionometry topic on Wang Labs . https://youtu.be/MgDZQy0nN-Y 19:22 --------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:My first machine (that I owned) was a Commodore 64, which I never did much with. During my second year of college, I got a Tandy Model 100 "laptop". If I recall correctly, it had 32K or RAM, and the only storage was a ramdisk. 19:23 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:Was the idea to compete with dedicated spreadsheet machine? 19:23 --------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:The LCD display was 8 lines of 40 characters each. 19:23 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:let me check on excel Nrupesh says:Excel: / brings up menu Nrupesh says:menu shortcuts/letters 19:38 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker says:LibreOffice does not 19:38 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:something new I learned. I'd use it instead of ALT commands on Excel 19:38 Nrupesh says:I may have learned to use spreadsheet on Apple IIe in school ( on my own time .. being the nerd ) 19:40 Nrupesh says:revoke with 30 days notice: Such 'cancel depending on the planetary alignment' does not help small businesses even now 19:42 --------------------------------------------------------------- Curt says:Learned on Trash-80, IBM-PC, Apple IIe, Owned and still do a Leading Edge-M pc with Yellow monochrome monitor. Leading edge software was great at the time. 19:43 --------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel says:/ in Apple Numbers (their current AppleWorks implementation in a way...) does nothing. 19:44 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:yes Nrupesh says:Was the idea to compete with dedicated spreadsheet machine? ( like WANG) 19:50 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Horne says:how did you know there was a demand for a PC-based spreadsheet? 19:50 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:Why did you not make it for Commodore 64? 19:51 --------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:As I recall, the C64 wasn't released until 1983; it didn't exist in 1979. 19:52 --------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecepicz says:I *think* GEOS on the C= had a spreadsheet offering. 19:53 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Horne says:Brad Templeton is the "Executive Moderator" for rec.humor.funny! 19:55 --------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel says:++Craig - he is awesome 19:59 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Horne says:$173 for 16 KB of Static EAM in 1986! 20:03 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:TRS80 has interesting BASIC. I played around with the graphic commands to learn. Same with Apple GR & HGR modes 20:04 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Horne says:FORTH Love If Honk Then! 20:10 Bill Horne says:I learned to type on a Moder19 Teletype! 20:12 --------------------------------------------------------------- Curt Curt says:used Trash-80 as a joke. I never liked that name when I heard it. 20:13 --------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel says:Try to exit VIM on one of those! 20:13 --------------------------------------------------------------- Ben K says:Did you guys have a test suite for visicalc to help with making new ports, or was testing done by hand? 20:13 --------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:As I recall, the "TRS" in TRS-80 stood for "Tandy/Radio Shack". 20:14 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Ricker says:Correct 20:14 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:2023: Do you still have interest in computing/software/code/business ? 20:16 --------------------------------------------------------------- Curt says:First program I used on IBM-PC was gw-basic. What did GW stand for? Anyway I found and used a Phone Number To Alpha Phrase program. 20:18 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:Thank you 20:18 --------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Gee Wioz Basic John Abreau says:Gee Wiz 20:18 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW-BASIC 20:19 --------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel says:I still have an OLPC in my basement! 20:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:I have a 1st-gen OLPC in my attic 20:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecepicz says:Is the OLPC project still going? 20:21 --------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:After disappointing sales, the foundation shut down in 2014.[1] -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child 20:22 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Horne says:Does anyone know why OLPC used QWERTY keyboards? 20:22 --------------------------------------------------------------- grg says:what spreadsheet do you use? 20:22 --------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel says:As opposed to DVORAK or something else? 20:22 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Horne says:WHY NOT Dvorak? 20:23 --------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecepicz says: https://laptop.org/aboutolpc/ 20:24 --------------------------------------------------------------- Curt says:Too expensive..hand input is overrated... 20:24 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:depends on your language setings 20:24 Nrupesh says:Kinect and game inputs did not work 20:25 --------------------------------------------------------------- Curt says:tried with Quest 2 and it did not impress 20:25 Curt says:Apple device does not exist yet 20:26 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:I have serious vision problems and do not like things on my head for a long time. eye strain 20:26 --------------------------------------------------------------- Curt says:That sounds good for the disabled 20:27 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:Excellent. I just need some assistance.. 20:27 --------------------------------------------------------------- Curt says:Quattro was great 20:28 Curt says:thanks for reminding me about VT-100's 20:31 --------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Thanks, Dan. 20:31 --------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel says:Thanks for such a great chat! 20:31 --------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecepicz says:Thanks, Dan. 20:31 --------------------------------------------------------------- John Abreau says:Thanks, Dan. 20:31 --------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel says:Thanks for such a great chat! 20:31 --------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecepicz says:Thanks, Dan. 20:31 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:chatgpt related.. 20:32 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Horne says:Thank you, Dan! 20:32 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:ever tried to make ios app? 20:32 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Horne says:Bob, where is the PC world headed in your view? 20:33 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:I have been following AI and with advancement... have you ever thought to make simple apps on ios or android? 20:33 --------------------------------------------------------------- Ben K says:When clones started coming out, did you consider taking legal action? 20:35 --------------------------------------------------------------- Nrupesh says:webapp makes more sense i have written some test code using chargpt. simple web interface platform independent 20:39 --------------------------------------------------------------- Brandon Vogel says:I gotta drop off. Thank again for a cool chat! Have a great evening. 20:44 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Frankston says: https://rmf.vc/ForeverURLs 20:49 --------------------------------------------------------------- Edward Piecepicz says:Thank You 20:52 --------------------------------------------------------------- meeting ended at 8:54 pm